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Which Mexican City Should We Move to?

Date: 09/10/2008 Author: Glynna Prentice

Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2008

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Dear Glynna,

My husband Tor (from Oslo, Norway) and I, Kathryn (from New Orleans, La.) wish to thank you for all of your tremendous research efforts with the best places to hang your hat.

We need you desperately as our sounding board for our next major move. This would be beloved Mexico. Many friends, archeological interests, Old World charm, and the like entice us to a handful of desirable places in Mexico.

Authorities as you are, please problem-solve for us. Our criteria seem to drastically differ but your expertise can offer us invaluable advice…

Our criteria:

Tor likes a dry climate, a timberline for hiking and running, outdoor restaurants, music, arts, culture, etc.

The most important things for me are proximity to the States, a warm climate year-round, historic value, ocean atmosphere, art, culture, educated neighbors, outdoor music, and a tremendous love for arts and cultural activities. A place our children want to visit often.

Please compare the cities of Queretaro and Merida, because Tor is inclined to one and I the other.

We have to make some kind of compromise…

Thank you so very much,

Kathryn and Tor

Hi Kathryn,

Queretaro and Merida are so radically different that it’s tough to compare. Have you and Tor visited either one, so that you have an emotional feel for them?

Here’s what I can tell you:

Queretaro is a beautiful colonial city with a mild mountain climate and lots of outdoor activities. Other colonial cities are in the general area, so you have plenty of historic places to visit. Queretaro has good shops, hospitals, and airport. There’s not a big expat community. But many Mexico City residents are fleeing here, so the city is growing very fast—faster than the infrastructure. Queretaro is about a 10-hour drive from the U.S. border in Texas.

Merida, on the other hand, has a hot, dry climate in winter and even hotter humid climate in summer. It has some decent museums, it’s a fabulous city for music in the streets, it has numerous good restaurants, and a great night-time ambience. Plus, there is a good-sized expat community—perhaps several thousand.

It’s as little as half an hour from the Gulf Coast and two-and-a-half to three days to the U.S. border (driving). Some natural parks are within a few hours of Merida, but honestly it’s usually too hot for much hiking.

I have some other options to throw out to you, just in case you aren’t set on these two.

Have you considered Xalapa or Colima?

Xalapa is the capital of Veracruz State, and is known for being a very cultured city—great café scene, best symphony in Mexico, best anthropology museum outside Mexico City, and it has three universities. The population is very sophisticated and the city has a real intellectual energy.

Xalapa is in the mountains—in fact, it’s surrounded by mountains—so it has a year-round mild climate. This area is a center for eco-tourism, and also white-water rafting. It’s just 40 minutes from the Veracruz coast, and about an hour from the Port of Veracruz itself, which is like the New Orleans of Mexico…wonderful ambience. Xalapa also has very reasonably-priced real estate. There’s a small expat community in Xalapa, but it’s not really organized. Veracruz expats are mostly corporate types. The Xalapa/Veracruz area is about a 15-hour drive from the Texas border.

Colima is the capital of Colima State, on the Pacific coast of Mexico. Again, Colima is up in the mountains with a year-round mild climate. Again, it has several universities and there’s a nice feel to the city. Last year, Mexicans voted it the city with the best quality of life in the country. Colima also has a fair amount of music and other cultural amenities. Real estate is reasonable. There’s no expat community to speak of, though.

Colima is an hour by highway from the port city of Manzanillo (also in Colima State). Manzanillo feels like California in the early 1960s, the good parts version: laidback, cheerful, with two five-mile beaches.

Manzanillo has a fairly large snowbird population, a lot of them Canadians. There’s an international airport here, with some direct U.S. flights. Driving, I’d say Manzanillo is about 15 hours from the U.S. border—though it would be on the Pacific side. One down side: Colima/Manzanillo is an earthquake zone, and Colima also has an active volcano right outside town….

Either of these combos could make a good compromise choice for you and Tor. For instance, live in Xalapa for the culture, the climate, the cheap real estate and the mountain sports—then hop in the car and drive for an hour to Veracruz for calypso music, great food, and the beach. You can do something similar with Colima/Manzanillo.

Hope this is helpful!

Regards,

Glynna Prentice
Your Mexico Insider, International Living

P.S. If you subscribe to Mexico Insider you can read about all these destinations. We covered Colima and Manzanillo in issues in late 2007. We covered Veracruz in July 2008 and Xalapa in August.

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Reader Comments

Moving to Mexico

Hi I live in the UK and am looking to move to Mexico. I work as Nutritionist,and offer other therapies as well. I am looking to move with my 12 almost 13 year old daughter who does not speak spanish yet, so I am looking at an appropriate school, working environment and reasonably priced appartments to rent and happy funloving people! My husband will eventually move out to join us. Also i was just going through some of the other comments posted and Colima sounds great as well as Queretaro and Xalapa. So other information I am seeking is, is reasonable to think that I can get a job in my line of work or is it easier for me to start a business. Looking forward to hearing from you. My email address is: rebeccahsteele@globaloyster.com

Puerta Vallarta

Hi, I'm living in England but want to move to either PV or Cabo. I want to do wedding photography or possibly holistic treatments, which I am qualified for in the UK. Any info on the PV area or Cabo would be fantastic! I would be looking for a place to rent for myself & my cat! Almost retired but not quite yet! Need contacts don't know anyone over there, so any info would be appreciated!
Thank you!!
Jan

Queretaro Vs. Merida

I am in the same situation. My husband and I have been considering and researching Merida for the past 3 years while also figuring out a way to make a living in Mexico since we are not at retirement age. It looks like our business idea is getting off the ground now and just when we think we are getting ready to prepare for our move---we start considering Queretaro! A place neither of us have been to but our potential and BIG client seems to prefer Central Mexico. After several weeks of intense research we are pretty much sold. We of coarse need to visit to 'interview' the city and see if it is a good fit for us.

Everything seems to indicate that Queretaro is a good place to do business in, clean, safe city with booming economy. Great climate and alot to do with surrounding towns. Plenty of universities and good hospitals. So my question here is.....what is the down side? Is there something I'm missing?

I loved everything about Merida except for the extreme heat in the summers. I loved the idea of living near a beach but the isolation of the city could be plus and minus. Depending of how you looked at it.

I'm at a point where I am doing a pros and cons list but I dont think I know enough about Queretaro to know what the cons are. Any help is appreciated.



Saltillo vs Santiago

Hi ! We may have to relocate to either Saltillo or Santiago for my hubby's work since they're shutting down the plant here. We have 2 young children. Can anyone tell me what they know about these 2 places? Thanks.

c_calypso@hotmail.com

Mexico

Would appreciate info from someone on San Carlos. My wife and I havent been there,however, plan on going. We live in N.M.
Thanks,
Jim

Oops, P.S. from David re "Queretaro vs. Merida"

I just norticed I left out a letter from my email, in case anyone would like to correspond
about Queretaro, Merida, and Xalapa (which, despite the air, is one of my favorite places):

athena_d89@yahoo.com

Queretaro vs. Merida

I have spent time in Queretaro, Merida, and Xalapa--as well as about 15 other "colonial" mountain cities. Have not yet seen Colima.
This was a wonderful postcard, very informative.
Based on all my travels to 22 Mexican states, I am focusing on Queretaro as a place to spend
more time in. It is one of the cleanest cities in Mexico, with a prosperous middle class. Like Xalapa, it has a university. Unlike Xalapa, it has clean air. . . It is north and west of Mexico City, so the Mexico City airshed does not affect it; by contrast, the Mexico City air drifts all the way to Xalapa. And because Xalapa is built into the side of a mountain, and has one major east-west street through the middle of town, the cars get choked there and the carbon dioxide adds particulates to the difficult air.
As far as Merida goes, I just don't like humidity, so I was not charmed--even in December and January I thought it was very oppressive. If you don't mind that, then its pluses are huge, including big commercial stores and a fine hospital. Another negative, though: it is THE most difficult city of all that I have visited to find a taxi. You can wait 30 minutes for a ride. . . But the people are friendly, the zocalo is wonderful, and if you don't speak much Spanish you will find not only more ex-pats here but also more Mexicans who speak English than in most other cities.

Queretero

My wife and I are considering a retirement in Queretero, I haven't been there yet, but will visit (house hunt) when she and I can get vacation time together. My wife is Mexican and has been there, but I have just been trying to mine info from the "net". Anyone who can help my contact me at::
miata810@juno.com
Thanks, Rich

mexico

i've been to PV ,Buceras,Manzanilla,Colima etc etc and while i thoroughly enjoyed every place i visited,i still like the Lake Chapala area much better as its not as touristy as some of the otherplaces and the Mexican people make you feel very welcome and don't treat one as an outsider.these are just my observations and not a put down of the aforementioned places.

Safety and price realistic???

I am in such a quandry about where to relocate within the next year. I am trying to get all of my "ducks" in a row for this move and in doing so making an attempt to make certain that I will be able to live realisitic on my monthly income. In being a single young senior citizen my top priority is safety. With so many crime areas in Mexico that we don't hear about I don't want to make a bad mistake and pick the wrong place for myself. I too want a place that is affordable for my money and that is easy for my children to visit. I was almost certain that Panama was the place for me then I continue getting all of the Mexico information and I am in a "box" now of information and don't know how to get out of it. I would love to make the Mexico conference but at this time it is just not in the cards for me. If any expats want to offer me information please do so.

Martha

Puerto Vallarta

We (in December) just bought a similar sounding price and space as you did. We have family there and bought it as an investment and to stay for a month from time to time. We listed it with a realtor in April and it just rented in August for a year. Anyway I would say that your investment should work out for you because people we know who live there have seen their property appreciate in a short period of time. So if living there doesn't work out you could rent it.

Lou's condo in Bucerias

Lou,

I live in Bucerias in Los Amores next door to Terralta II and III; you got a good deal! Enjoy life in Bucerias....it is a great little town. Hopefully, we will meet one day once you have retired and are a resident in our little slice of paradise.

Expat Reena

Which Mexican City Should We Move To?

This is one of the most helpful IL Postcards I've seen. Thanks!

Donna

micheokeon

what about the state of micheokeon, morelia i am thinking of moving there it seems like a great place to live with cool nights and very nice days not too hat there

Best Places to Retire in Mexico

I believe a lot of IL readers would love to read more of the above letters requesting information and suggestions, along with IL's responses. Can we expect to see more or can they be located somewhere on your website?? I am an IL member and cannot decide where to retire in the next couple of months. I love San Miguel but its getting too crowded and too expensive. My husband and I are looking for a pleasant climate, no hurricanes or earthquakes, an expat community, a lot of culture and possibly proximity to the U.S.. We would love the ocean but it gets too humid in the summer months. There was some mention of the "Athens" of Mexico--what place would that be?? Your input and suggestions would be more than welcome. In addition to Mexico, what other country has a great expat community and pleasant climate and is reasonable like Mexico?

Thanks-natasha

Puerto Vallarta Area

I'm looking at several properties in the Punta Mita area for investment purposes. Can you provide me any details or recomendations?
tks
Jim

Bucerias

Lou, you've chosen a great place to retire, in my opinion. I spent a week in January in a little town north of Bucerias called Rincon de Guayabitos (near La Penita). Lovely area, lots of ex-pats, and I fell in love with the place. I would choose the Pacific coast over the Atlantic any day, because it's a much dryer climate. Best of luck.

Move to Mexico.

In November of '07 I bought a condo in Bucerias,about 10 miles north of Puerto Vallarta. My condo was under construction at the time and is now finished. I am going to retire at the end of October "08 and move there. The devloper is building condos at a furious rate and when I bought into Terralta III he was just finishing up II , now it looks like Terralta Iv will either be done soon or is done. I paid $85,000 for about 1,090 sq ft a 3 bedroom 2 1/2 bath, concrete and block. (CBS). I THINK I got a good deal (Oh, please don't tell me I didn't). and PV is supposed to have a large Expat population. I'm moving from Key West, Fl where it's just getting TOO expensive to live and work, much less retire.
I kinda wish I'd subscribed to IL BEFORE I made the purchase, but I think (and hope) I'm doing the right thing. I'm (sorts) looking for other expats in the PV and especially the Bucerias area to talk to. Thanks, Lou

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